Comments on: How to Get Good Old Classic Start Menu Back in Windows 7? http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-good-old-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7/ Technology News, Internet, Tips-n-Tricks, Tutorials, Software Reviews, Themes, Skins, Wallpapers Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:26:58 +0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.6 hourly 1 By: Juanita http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-good-old-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7/comment-page-2/#comment-83728 Juanita Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:41:44 +0000 http://www.askvg.com/?p=2305#comment-83728 The new Start menu, is fine, the all programs list is terrible, I have over 200 pgrograms installed on my computer, with xp I could create my own folders, ie media programs, office programs, utilities programs etc, then drop and drag the respective start icon into that folder, I could also arrange everything exactly how I want it, ever tried searching through over 200 names in one huge alphabetical list, that you have to scroll through, a nightmare to say the least. I also used to be able to remove all my icons from the desktop into a neat little taskbar I had on auto hide at the top of my screen for my most used programs, had to install a third party program for that one also. What I don't understand, is that for those who love the new look great, but they never used the functions I am talking about anyway, so why remove them. Its not that i actually like the look of the old programs list, but it functioned far better for what I need. Surely it wouldnt have been too hard to leave it so I could group my programs together and not have to scroll through one impossible long list. The new Start menu, is fine, the all programs list is terrible, I have over 200 pgrograms installed on my computer, with xp I could create my own folders, ie media programs, office programs, utilities programs etc, then drop and drag the respective start icon into that folder, I could also arrange everything exactly how I want it, ever tried searching through over 200 names in one huge alphabetical list, that you have to scroll through, a nightmare to say the least.

I also used to be able to remove all my icons from the desktop into a neat little taskbar I had on auto hide at the top of my screen for my most used programs, had to install a third party program for that one also.

What I don't understand, is that for those who love the new look great, but they never used the functions I am talking about anyway, so why remove them.

Its not that i actually like the look of the old programs list, but it functioned far better for what I need. Surely it wouldnt have been too hard to leave it so I could group my programs together and not have to scroll through one impossible long list.

]]> By: Otis http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-good-old-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7/comment-page-2/#comment-78817 Otis Fri, 30 Oct 2009 07:18:13 +0000 http://www.askvg.com/?p=2305#comment-78817 I will say this nicely. I have had a computer ever since 1981, I remember the Ataris and the Commodores and their operating systems, and I remember DOS right up to Vista. I have also played computer games ever since that time, and I still have and play some of them even though they are close to thirty years old. Right now, I have over 80 different programs in folders and subfolders on my start menu, and the number is growing. THAT'S RIGHT, OVER EIGHTY PROGRAMS ON MY START MENU. Some of these programs Windows doesn't even know are there, because they predate the times of the Windows Registry. At the moment, it takes me less than 3 seconds to get to any one of those programs. Until someone can tell me how to juggle that amount of programs on the new Start Menu, I am not buying Windows 7. Some people say the new Start Menu is easier than the older one, and they may be right, but I would like them to handle over 80 programs on the new menu as easily as I can on the classic menu. Some people also say that we must look forward and accept new things, and to them I say,I did not like them dropping DOS compatbility, but I can understand and accept that. However, this is not technological evolution, this sacrificing convenience and accessibility to pander to the computer the illiterate. While I understand most people do not have the experience I do, I do not like having to sacrifice what I might have to admit are advanced features because of them. I like my computer, I paid good money for it, and I like an operating system that lets me customize it how I want. If newbies cannot or will not do this, that is their right, but I do not like being forced into their niche. One last word to Micro$oft and all other people who state accessibity to new users. This is not the 1980s people, computers are no longer complicated things that only the geniuses and geeks can understand. Almost everybody has a working knowledge of computers now, and I think it is time to stop catering to the very very few who do not, and start catering to the overwhelming majority that actually do understand them. I will say this nicely. I have had a computer ever since 1981, I remember the Ataris and the Commodores and their operating systems, and I remember DOS right up to Vista. I have also played computer games ever since that time, and I still have and play some of them even though they are close to thirty years old. Right now, I have over 80 different programs in folders and subfolders on my start menu, and the number is growing. THAT'S RIGHT, OVER EIGHTY PROGRAMS ON MY START MENU. Some of these programs Windows doesn't even know are there, because they predate the times of the Windows Registry. At the moment, it takes me less than 3 seconds to get to any one of those programs. Until someone can tell me how to juggle that amount of programs on the new Start Menu, I am not buying Windows 7.

Some people say the new Start Menu is easier than the older one, and they may be right, but I would like them to handle over 80 programs on the new menu as easily as I can on the classic menu. Some people also say that we must look forward and accept new things, and to them I say,I did not like them dropping DOS compatbility, but I can understand and accept that. However, this is not technological evolution, this sacrificing convenience and accessibility to pander to the computer the illiterate.

While I understand most people do not have the experience I do, I do not like having to sacrifice what I might have to admit are advanced features because of them. I like my computer, I paid good money for it, and I like an operating system that lets me customize it how I want. If newbies cannot or will not do this, that is their right, but I do not like being forced into their niche.

One last word to Micro$oft and all other people who state accessibity to new users. This is not the 1980s people, computers are no longer complicated things that only the geniuses and geeks can understand. Almost everybody has a working knowledge of computers now, and I think it is time to stop catering to the very very few who do not, and start catering to the overwhelming majority that actually do understand them.

]]> By: Schwabe http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-good-old-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7/comment-page-2/#comment-76783 Schwabe Thu, 22 Oct 2009 15:41:42 +0000 http://www.askvg.com/?p=2305#comment-76783 The Classic Start menu is better because you can create your own subfolders. Yes by default it is cumbersome: Start > Program Files > Office > Word However, if your smart: Start > Stuff > Word Or Start > Games > Yes, navigtating through the "All Programs" tree is annoying - which is why you create your own subfolders that rest at the root of the Start Bar. For Games, Stuff, Sound & Video, Web, Development, etc The Classic Start menu is better because you can create your own subfolders.
Yes by default it is cumbersome: Start > Program Files > Office > Word
However, if your smart: Start > Stuff > Word
Or Start > Games >
Yes, navigtating through the "All Programs" tree is annoying - which is why you create your own subfolders that rest at the root of the Start Bar. For Games, Stuff, Sound & Video, Web, Development, etc

]]> By: Galmok http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-good-old-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7/comment-page-2/#comment-75727 Galmok Fri, 16 Oct 2009 19:17:25 +0000 http://www.askvg.com/?p=2305#comment-75727 I don't mind the Vista/Win7 start menu, in fact, I prefer it to the Classic one, but I REALLY do mind losing the "All Programs" menu. I remember the location of the apps I run and therefore I make 2 mouse clicks and the program is started. Moving the hand away from the mouse and to the keyboard is annoying and removes focus from what I want to do. Also, if you continously have to start various programs, moving your hand between mouse and keyboard will cause irritation in your shoulder and wrist joints. The win7 way may be a good solution for newbies and people rarely starting any program, but thats basically it. Microsoft failed with this. CSMenu doesn't completely give me what I want in that it only offers the full Classic package (I do want many of the links the new menu offers, but I don't want my programs menu using 1/20 of my screen when the menu could have used the entire screen. I payed good money for that monitor and having my list of programs presented in such a crammed frame is plainly stupid. Besides, the new menu is horrible for people with spelling problems (more of those around than you might think) and for those who can't remember what the program is called but (in the old All Programs menu) knew where it was located. Microsofts stupidity/arrogance knows no limit. Due to the loss of the All Programs menu, Vista/XP is supperior to Windows 7 in my book. I don't mind the Vista/Win7 start menu, in fact, I prefer it to the Classic one, but I REALLY do mind losing the "All Programs" menu. I remember the location of the apps I run and therefore I make 2 mouse clicks and the program is started.

Moving the hand away from the mouse and to the keyboard is annoying and removes focus from what I want to do. Also, if you continously have to start various programs, moving your hand between mouse and keyboard will cause irritation in your shoulder and wrist joints.

The win7 way may be a good solution for newbies and people rarely starting any program, but thats basically it. Microsoft failed with this.

CSMenu doesn't completely give me what I want in that it only offers the full Classic package (I do want many of the links the new menu offers, but I don't want my programs menu using 1/20 of my screen when the menu could have used the entire screen. I payed good money for that monitor and having my list of programs presented in such a crammed frame is plainly stupid.

Besides, the new menu is horrible for people with spelling problems (more of those around than you might think) and for those who can't remember what the program is called but (in the old All Programs menu) knew where it was located.

Microsofts stupidity/arrogance knows no limit.

Due to the loss of the All Programs menu, Vista/XP is supperior to Windows 7 in my book.

]]> By: Andy http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-good-old-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7/comment-page-2/#comment-61891 Andy Wed, 02 Sep 2009 00:16:06 +0000 http://www.askvg.com/?p=2305#comment-61891 "Mark said: Personally, I think the new start menu WAY less complicated than the old one. I think it's great how everything is set out neatly and stuff, but if some people prefer the old one, this will be welcomed." It takes me MUCH longer to use the new start menu than the Win2k classic. I always disable the 'Personalize Menu' and set the menus in Control Panel - System - Advanced for max performance and then 'Sort by Name'. Instead of one click on start, then the next click launching the app after navigating the flyout menus (max 1-2 secs and 2 clicks), I have to do the following: Click Start Click All Programs Scroll down Find the Program Group containing the app and click on it. Click on the app. Takes 5 secs and 5 clicks. Please explain to me how that is better or less complicated? "Mark said:

Personally, I think the new start menu WAY less complicated than the old one. I think it's great how everything is set out neatly and stuff, but if some people prefer the old one, this will be welcomed."

It takes me MUCH longer to use the new start menu than the Win2k classic. I always disable the 'Personalize Menu' and set the menus in Control Panel - System - Advanced for max performance and then 'Sort by Name'.
Instead of one click on start, then the next click launching the app after navigating the flyout menus (max 1-2 secs and 2 clicks), I have to do the following:
Click Start
Click All Programs
Scroll down
Find the Program Group containing the app and click on it.
Click on the app.
Takes 5 secs and 5 clicks.

Please explain to me how that is better or less complicated?

]]> By: Vadim http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-good-old-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7/comment-page-2/#comment-53269 Vadim Thu, 06 Aug 2009 16:45:26 +0000 http://www.askvg.com/?p=2305#comment-53269 > Once someone told me that, using Classic start menu it is very easy to open "Microsoft Word" > than using Vista style start menu. > He said Start->Run->winword opens Word in Classic style. > I replied Start->word (Case insensitive) Vista Style. Both of you wrong. Opening Word in classic menu is Start->N->Enter (3 keys, 0.5 sec). Opening existing document is Start->O->[Searching for document]->Mouse double click (Most of the time is searching for document). So, the old style menu was perfect. If you remember key presses, nearly any application may be launched in a fraction of a second. > Once someone told me that, using Classic start menu it is very easy to open "Microsoft Word" > than using Vista style start menu.

> He said Start->Run->winword opens Word in Classic style.
> I replied Start->word (Case insensitive) Vista Style.

Both of you wrong.

Opening Word in classic menu is Start->N->Enter (3 keys, 0.5 sec).

Opening existing document is Start->O->[Searching for document]->Mouse double click (Most of the time is searching for document).

So, the old style menu was perfect. If you remember key presses, nearly any application may be launched in a fraction of a second.

]]> By: Osk'r DS http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-good-old-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7/comment-page-1/#comment-45885 Osk'r DS Mon, 06 Jul 2009 06:55:28 +0000 http://www.askvg.com/?p=2305#comment-45885 I used to use Rocketdock, Launchy and another programs to easily reach my programs and folders, but with windows 7, I actually can do that with te start menu, it's more intuitive an easy, I don't understand who uses the old star menu, they don't have to use win 7 if they think it's more difficulty, continue using Win 98 or XP instead using Win 7. sorry for my terrible english :P I used to use Rocketdock, Launchy and another programs to easily reach my programs and folders, but with windows 7, I actually can do that with te start menu, it's more intuitive an easy, I don't understand who uses the old star menu, they don't have to use win 7 if they think it's more difficulty, continue using Win 98 or XP instead using Win 7.

sorry for my terrible english :P

]]> By: psycros http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-good-old-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7/comment-page-1/#comment-45521 psycros Sat, 04 Jul 2009 09:17:17 +0000 http://www.askvg.com/?p=2305#comment-45521 "Although the new start menu is much better than the classic one, lots of people still prefer the Classic one". Oh really? Then why is the lack of a classic menu "the most common question which Windows 7 users ask us"? You can't have it both ways, Einstein. The Vista-style interface is less intuitive, less user-friendly and takes longer to do ANYTHING with than the instant-access and time tested fly-out menus. Two clicks and BOOM, there's your program. I don't have to take my hands off the mouse. Seriously, if keyboard navigating and actually *typing out words* is so much better, why don't you go back to DOS 6.22 and Xtree Gold? Nobody, and I mean NOBODY is drinking the Microsoft Kool-Aid anymore, dude. When you carry water for Steve Ballmer you simply look like a fool. "Although the new start menu is much better than the classic one, lots of people still prefer the Classic one". Oh really? Then why is the lack of a classic menu "the most common question which Windows 7 users ask us"? You can't have it both ways, Einstein. The Vista-style interface is less intuitive, less user-friendly and takes longer to do ANYTHING with than the instant-access and time tested fly-out menus. Two clicks and BOOM, there's your program. I don't have to take my hands off the mouse. Seriously, if keyboard navigating and actually *typing out words* is so much better, why don't you go back to DOS 6.22 and Xtree Gold? Nobody, and I mean NOBODY is drinking the Microsoft Kool-Aid anymore, dude. When you carry water for Steve Ballmer you simply look like a fool.

]]> By: SCBright http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-good-old-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7/comment-page-1/#comment-44042 SCBright Mon, 29 Jun 2009 21:27:40 +0000 http://www.askvg.com/?p=2305#comment-44042 I am just concerned with the fact that the people come to transform Windows 7 in another XP. It was not my intention to create any confusion. I have been seeing the evolution of the Operating systems since the beginning of the eighties and it is my understanding that we should not live in the past, but to adapt to the new things. I am just concerned with the fact that the people come to transform Windows 7 in another XP.

It was not my intention to create any confusion.

I have been seeing the evolution of the Operating systems since the beginning of the eighties and it is my understanding that we should not live in the past, but to adapt to the new things.

]]> By: Someone http://www.askvg.com/how-to-get-good-old-classic-start-menu-back-in-windows-7/comment-page-1/#comment-44034 Someone Mon, 29 Jun 2009 20:28:45 +0000 http://www.askvg.com/?p=2305#comment-44034 Looks simple. I like it! Great for people who use XP! Looks simple. I like it! Great for people who use XP!

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